eBook Fever You know I think after talking to a couple of people about it reading a couple of reviews I can see better

eBook Fever You know, I think after talking to a couple of people about it, reading a couple of reviews, I can see better why someone would like these books. I am not a girl who cares for The Wings of the Dove, so I cannot understand this particular preference, but I can observe that people have it. I guess that there is something about vague wordiness that is attractive to some readers, and, you know, I can see how that is a thing. Maybe it is like black licorice. Like, it is objectively disgusting, but some people like it. ;-) I kid! I kid! . . . mostly. Anyway, I would not say that I have a particular problem with Ms. DeStefano’s vague wordiness, actually, but it is my impression that, for some, this characteristic redeems the absence of character development, plot, and understandable world building in her books. So, there’s that. I will tell you what I do have a problem with, though, but I feel like I need to move to a new paragraph at this point, so you are going to have to be content with no snappy thesis sentence in this review. It’s the DeStefano way!Ahh, yes. Much more comfortable. Soo, anywhoo. In one of my Intro to Lit classes in college, I had this lovely professor who advised us that whenever we read anything, we should ask ourselves who wrote it and what his or her agenda is. This is how I read books, and because I value direct communication, I probably base a lot of my opinion about a book on how clearly I can understand who wrote it and what the agenda is. (I am not using agenda as an insult. I think we all have agendas. Maybe “message” is a better word, but in books, I think they would mean the same thing.) How does the book present the world? What does it normalize? What does it question? Sometimes this is a more complex issue than others – for example, in the Uglies series, while Scott Westerfeld seems to try to say superficiality and self-mutilation are bad, I think he really does more to normalize them. Lauren DeStefano’s Chemical Garden series is another difficult one on that front. First, I guess I’ll talk about figuring out who the author is, and then I’ll get to talking about the book and its messages in a minute. Ms. DeStefano is a twenty-seven-year-old woman whom many have mistaken for a teenager. Maybe, in some ways, that is not a bad thing from a marketing perspective because it makes her more relatable to her audience. Otherwise, infantilization bothers me, and it bothers me when women play into it because I think it is usually manipulative, but I guess I don’t feel too strongly about it compared to the other things that make my head explode about this series. What I actually want to talk about are Ms. DeStefano’s choices in dealing with her position as an author in the midst of reviewers, so you’ll have to forgive me for the digression or report me to the authorities if you wish. I guess I’ll put that digression at the end, so you can choose to read it or not. It’s kind of loooong, and probably nobody cares at this point anyway. My main thought is that when authors, and Ms. DeStefano is certainly not alone in this, publicly react to reviews from an instinctive emotional place and make reviews about their feelings (or even when they privately contact reviewers in this way), it really comes off as a show of strength to reviewers, even if the author intends to be benevolent.* So, anyway, about this book. It makes The Lord of the Rings look like a fast-paced, action-packed, breathtaking ride at blinding speed through a roller coaster of plot. Meaning, nothing happens in this book the entire time. Gabriel is still a cardboard cutout of UR boifriend with blu Is. Rhine swoons I don’t even know how many times. The damn candies (view spoiler)[are the key to the disease, just as you expected (hide spoiler)], and there is a drop-in mute, disabled, possibly autistic child who serves no purpose other than to . . . no, she serves no purpose. She scampers A LOT. On. All. Fours. And there’s one part where she hangs upside down from the back of a bus seat, and I’m not totally sure what the logistics on that are, considering the size of bus seats I’ve encountered, even compared to the size of babies. But, aside from the offensive drop-in disabled puppy monkey child to make everyone look cute (or eeeevil, depending on who you are), we also remember that smart kids still can’t have voluntary sex with someone they like, but since kids must have sex, they have to stumble into a sex trap. So, Rhine and Gabriel fall into the grips of an eeeeevil brothel owner who for some reason talks like a Russian villain in a cartoon. She pumps them with aphrodisiacs and they do the deed in a cage in front of an audience (I think – this is never totally worked out a la Wings of the Dove, and I was left with the feeling that they were just making out, even though that doesn’t really make sense). So . . . that happens. It is voyeuristic and disempowering. Not, like, they would have wanted to have sex, but you know. The aphrodisiacs made them do it. This continues the image presented over and over in these books that women cannot want sex just for its own sake, but either must want it for some unhealthy ulterior motive or be forced into sex. It also continues the image that women cannot say “no” to sex and actually have people listen to them. Then, after the aphrodisiac cage and some other hijinks, (view spoiler)[Rhine winds up back at the mansion because no one realized that tracking devices are a thing, and the statutory rapist from the first book is like, "UR rong, I never hit U! UR tearing me apart Lisa!" And then she finally, after NOT FINDING HER FREAKING BROTHER THE WHOLE TIME (because, let’s be reasonable, it is difficult to find people when you have to swoon all the time) sees her brother on TV, and he’s sparin’ for change on the street in front of a news camera, like you do when they’re going around shooting everyone in a dystopia. AND SCENE (hide spoiler)]. Probably the main issue I have with these books is that I feel like they are saying nothing in a direct way, but doing a lot to normalize a sense of female victimization. Ms. DeStefano takes on the voice of trafficked child prostitutes, and then she does nothing to give them actual humanity or strength. This is a topic I have studied a little bit and really care about, so painting trafficked girls as boring, shallow waifs is offensive to me. I guess I don’t have much else to say about that.I think I’ve said this before, but another thing that strikes me as odd in this book is that the statutory rape is treated as, well, you know, kids will be kids, but medical testing is painted in a weirdly ambivalent way. Rhine’s parents did it, so she is in favor of it, but it is also painted as the most evil thing in the book. I am confused about the book’s position on this, and that ends up adding to my overall boredom because ultimately I don't really care one way or another what the position on this is, I'd just like to know what it is.I still cannot give this book one star because, even though it was probably objectively worse than the first one, and even though Skye O’Malley had panthers on leashes, which is AWESOME no matter how you look at it, Skye had a child being raped by a dog, and this book did not. So, Fever gets a freebie star for that. If you are not working on a bestiality-to-no-bestialiaty scale, though, this book is mostly pretty boring. I mean, this book is boooorrinzzzzzzzzz. And, here’s the thing, you can get offended at the fact that I thought your book was boring, and that I think it normalizes rape, if you want to, Lauren (if you don’t mind me using your fist name). But, I’ve been told my writing is boring and wrong and what have you on the internet, and it is just a person’s opinion. And in this case, the person who called you boring has way less power than you do (see below for more on this). And I also do mean that to be constructive criticism, even if it doesn’t come off that way. Ultimately, it is probably a pretty simple fix to make the next book less boring. You do a lot of telling and not showing. You tell us, for example that Rhine is an Aquarius, so she is unpredictable, but I have not yet seen her be unpredictable. I have seen many, many Aquariuses be unpredictable in many, many unpredictable ways, but I have not seen that from Rhine. I have seen her romanticize her surroundings, as a Libra like yourself might do, but I have not seen her be unpredictable or witty like an Aquarius might be. Also, you indicate that Gabriel wants to protect Rhine and Linton is in love with Rhine, but I have not yet seen them express anything other than not wanting other people to touch her. My understanding is that they do this because she has two different colored eyes, which makes her special to them. That is perplexing to me. If you could say less and show more about why they would like her, it would help me out.Speaking of her being an Aquarius, I feel really bad that I am releasing a negative review right before Rhine’s birthday. But, since I am pretty convinced someone lied about her birthday, and she’s actually a Libra, I’m going to go ahead and wish her a happy fake birthday and release the review. Happy fake birthday, Rhine! I hope rehab is very successful for you and that you grow a pair!_______________________* I was actually thinking pretty seriously about author/reviewer interaction on goodreads.com for a few days before Ms. DeStefano let us know what she thinks our dark, 4chan corner of the internet. Her posts, and her subsequent behind-the-scenes attempts to regain favor with readers obviously did make me think more about the circumstances of author/reviewer respect, though, so I am going to talk a little about it here. Author/reviewer interaction is, perhaps, the most over-discussed topic in my entire world right now, other than, maybe, the topic of charging real costs for public records requests, but that is an entirely different boring story. So, I am definitely apologizing for wasting your time by adding my voice to this ridiculousness, but I feel compelled.I guess, you know, I’m in law school, and that’s definitely part of who I am as a reviewer. I spend most of the day arguing, in a mostly non-personal way, with people who have different opinions than my own about almost anything you can think of from furniture to rape to the prison system to licorice. And I think, for the most part, goodreads tends to interact in a similar way. We present our opinions and tell our story, and then someone tells us that we are a fat, lesbian, Rachel Maddow-lookalike, tiring elitist, and someone else thanks us for our opinion and story and says it changed their life, and then we all go back to our realities. I’ll not say that I haven’t had my feelings hurt on goodreads, but who among us has not been hurt by those we love? So, I might be wrong, but I think I can see what Ms. DeStefano is saying when she says it is difficult to read a negative review on goodreads. This is another thing, though, that I observe to be true, but do not necessarily understand. I guess, I like it when people disagree with me, so we can work out our ideas, and everyone can grow and become better through talking and thinking. I even think it’s funny when I get an angry troll who corrects me and says my writing is garbage. My feelings get hurt, on the other hand, when an authority figure steps in to reprimand me for expressing my thoughts. So, that is where I am going with this. It is my impression that some authors do not realize that by the very nature of getting paid for their writing, they carry a certain amount of power within the writing community as far as everyone else is concerned. They are the trustees of the school, the investors in the project, and when they show up, the kids had better be on their best behavior. I have seen loads of wonderful author/reviewer interactions, but still, when the authors show up, there is a hush. Maybe this is sad sometimes for authors, and I can definitely see why Caris chooses not to embody his author profile, but ultimately I do not feel bad for these poor little rich kids. As reviewers, we come on this website because it is what we do – our fingers love to type, we tell stories, we love and hate books, and we love to write. And we get reminded constantly that we are not as good as published authors. I am not trying to claim some kind of nobility for it; I am just saying that we are all writers, but for those of us who are not paid to write, those who are paid for writing have a certain amount of power.So, I guess my point is that whether an author intends it to be this way or not, stepping into a reviewer conflict can feel like a show of strength to reviewers. It can feel more threatening than a normal trolling. Even if you mean to say, “Oh hai! Conflict is a bummer!” it can feel to a reviewer like, “I am talking to other published authors about you and how you hurt my feelings and how they should not support your writing.” I am writing this in the second person because Ms. DeStefano is one of the authors who has made it clear she is monitoring reviews, but she is among many, and I think it is a potential learning moment for many authors and reviewers who have suddenly run into each other on these internets. I give major kudos to authors who can show up on a review and just validate what people are saying without trying to make it about that author's emotions. I also give major kudos to authors who can step away from the computer when they need to. It bothers me when I see authors do the opposite, whether they do it behind the scenes or in public.As reviewers, we give good reviews and your book sells; we give bad reviews, and your book sells. But, you complain about us, and sometimes our writing disappears, and that is how we know where the power lies. As reviewers, most of us have had our writing, bodies, sexual orientation, political views, and grammar choices questioned and criticized, too. But, that is part of the fun and part of the nature of writing. I know that you, and other authors, have said that you do not want to stifle reviewer reaction to your writing, but when you make it clear that every sentence we say is life or death to you, it comes off as a show of strength because you have power over our writing and we do not have power over yours.And, as Jim Halpert says about the black licorice issue, this is just my opinion, but it's true._________________________I received an ARC of this book from a book blogger friend. Thank you!!!. Fever are Books Rhine and Gabriel have escaped the mansion, but danger is never far behind.Running away brings Rhine and Gabriel right into a trap, in the form of a twisted carnival whose ringmistress keeps watch over a menagerie of girls Just as Rhine uncovers what plans await her, her fortune turns again With Gabriel at her side, Rhine travels through an environment as grim as the oneRhine and Gabriel have escaped the mansion, but danger is never far behind.Running away brings Rhine and Gabriel right into a trap, in the form of a twisted carnival whose ringmistress keeps watch over a menagerie of girls Just as Rhine uncovers what plans await her, her fortune turns again With Gabriel at her side, Rhine travels through an environment as grim as the one she left a year ago surroundings that mirror her own feelings of fear and hopelessness.The two are determined to get to Manhattan, to relative safety with Rhine s twin brother, Rowan But the road there is long and perilous and in a world where young women only live to age twenty and young men die at twenty five, time is precious Worse still, they can t seem to elude Rhine s father in law, Vaughn, who is determined to bring Rhine back to the mansion any means necessary.In the sequel to Lauren DeStefano s harrowing Wither, Rhine must decide if freedom is worth the price now that she has to lose than ever.. Lauren DeStefano Is a well-known author, some of his books are a fascination for readers like in the Fever book, this is one of the most wanted Lauren DeStefano author readers around the world. . A viral Books Fever nov. 2017: 3.5 stars. very druggy.march 2012, original review: 4 stars(view spoiler)[GUESS WHO TOTALLY LOVED THIS BOOK????? :DLet's play Guess What She's Thinking!Oh, God, I really have to take a shit."I probably should've slept on the twelve-hour flight here. I feel like I haven't slept in a millenium.Shit, my foot iches... I wonder if they'll notice if I scratch it.What the hell did they do to my hair? It feels like I have straw coming out of my head.I can't wait until I can take a shower . . . I feel like I just rolled around in glittery monkey vomit.Who forgot the Ex-Lax, goddammit?The fuck? A rocking horse? Am I on acid?Now, some Comments Favorites:If I could just fart, I'd feel better!"If I sit like this for long enough, will people mistake me for a model?Damn it! I knew those street-vendor tacos were a bad idea!Braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaains...And now, my personal favorite:Look, everyone! I'm Kristen Stewart!Remember, this is all fun and games.I used to hate this cover, but then I started to read the book and realized how much everything meant to it. The photographer and designer worked really well together to create a cover true to the book. So, even though I freaking hate the cover, I still appreciate it from a writer's point of view. (hide spoiler)]["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>
Fever Symptoms and causes Mayo Clinic Fevers and Normal Body Temperature .F Is No Longer You probably always heard that the average human body temperature is . F But the reality is that a normal body temperature can fall within a wide range, from F to F It s usually lower Fever Fever Causes, Treatment, and Prevention Jul , Fever is also known as hyperthermia, pyrexia, or elevated temperature It describes a body temperature that s higher than normal Fever can affect children and adults A short term Fever Facts High Temperature Causes and Treatments A fever is a body temperature that s higher than is considered normal It s also called a high temperature, hyperthermia, or pyrexia, and it s usually a sign that your body is working to keep you Fever definition of fever by Medical dictionary A fever is any body temperature elevation over F . C.

  1. Lauren DeStefano Is a well-known author, some of his books are a fascination for readers like in the Fever book, this is one of the most wanted Lauren DeStefano author readers around the world.

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  1. nov 2017 3.5 stars very druggyrch 2012, original review 4 stars view spoiler GUESS WHO TOTALLY LOVED THIS BOOK DLet s play Guess What She s Thinking Oh, God, I really have to take a shit I probably should ve slept on the twelve hour flight here I feel like I haven t slept in a millenium.Shit, my foot iches I wonder if they ll notice if I scratch it.What the hell did they do to my hair It feels like I have straw coming out of my head.I can t wait until I can take a shower I feel like I just roll [...]

  2. You know, I think after talking to a couple of people about it, reading a couple of reviews, I can see better why someone would like these books I am not a girl who cares for The Wings of the Dove, so I cannot understand this particular preference, but I can observe that people have it I guess that there is something about vague wordiness that is attractive to some readers, and, you know, I can see how that is a thing Maybe it is like black licorice Like, it is objectively disgusting, but some p [...]

  3. 4.5 starsThis is the first book I ve read this year that grabbed me And I mean it grabbed me In fact, it s the first book that s going right on my 2012 favs shelf You know I m picky and you know my bar is pretty high, but I LOVED this book Lauren DeStefano stole my heart with her lyrical prose in Wither, but she took my breath away with Fever But before I start gushing uncontrollably about how much I loved this book, I feel I need to talk about this cover for a minute I m gonna be honest here an [...]

  4. Fever is Book 2 of the Chemical Garden TrilogyRhine and Gabriel have succeeded in escaping the mansion, and they are determined to find Rhine s brother, Rowan However, it s a very short time before they are in danger again as they fall into the grips of an evil brothel owner I really liked some of the secondary characters introduced in Fever I had a very soft spot for young Maddie We learn a lot about her and her story really tugged at my heart strings Lilac, Silas, Jared and Claire were also gr [...]

  5. About a year ago, I reviewed Fever, and it was pointed out to me how positive the review was compared to my rating you can still see on my blog, but which I m not going to link to, because, though I meant it at the time, this is one book where hindsight has really changed my opinion Since I don t believe in major edits to my blog reviews, I m going to change this one, because I really don t care.What I Liked The writing, sort of Lauren DeStefano has a very interesting, unique style that, while n [...]

  6. Not good at all Oh, wait No one likes it when I leave a single sentence review Breathless fangirls and guys are even now lurking in the darkness of the internet, waiting to leap out with their all caps denunciations HOW CAN U SAY THAT WITH NO REASON U JUST DONT GET IT ITS TO DEEP FOR YOU I m sorry I m sure some of them can spell I m a little bitter from my last bad experience, with other fan fave Name of the Wind But there s no need to be rude, and I m sorry for casting aspersions upon DeStefano [...]

  7. Liebes Fever,was war denn das Deine gro e Schwester Wither und ich hatten so eine gute Zeit zusammen und jetzt kommst du daher und machst alles kaputt.Ich bin wirklich entt uscht Ich habe so viel mehr von dir erwartet, stattdessen f hlst du dich an wie ein L ckenf ller.Es ging ja ganz gut los Karnevalszenerien gewinnen mich immer schnell f r sich, sogar diese sehr rotlichtstichige Ein Riesenrad, ein Karussell, farbenpr chtige Zelte, eine verschrobene Karnevalsk nigin und s lich bet render Rausch [...]

  8. Things will get worse before they get better A little agony before the fever will break.Fever, the second installment to The Chemical Garden Trilogy, picks up immediately where Wither left off As Rhine and Gabriel escape Linden s mansion in search of their freedom and Rhine s twin brother, they find themselves captured by Madame Soleski and forced to become a perverse display for profit The story unfolds into a brutal yet subtly romantic dystopic nightmare where no matter how harsh and morbid i [...]

  9. An improvement over Wither Fever starts exactly where we left off in the midst of the excitement from having escaped The issue I had with Wither lacking energy, where I had a feeling of restlessness being with those girls in their big mansion unmoving, is not the case any In Fever, we re out in the real world Things are moving fast and the anxiety is heightened As a lover of fast paced dystopians, I found myself much preferring this second installment.We re following Rhine and Gabriel on the run [...]

  10. Gritty sequel failed to keep my attention like WITHER didFever takes readers into an even darker world than did Lauren DeStefano s debut novel, Wither Having escaped the confines of the mansion, Rhine and Gabriel make the run to freedom only to find that the outside world may offer even less of it As they struggle to make their way to Manhattan in search of safety and Rhine s twin brother, the two find that the world is populated by those both cruel and kind and that everyone is looking for a wa [...]

  11. Nothing was happening I feel like Fever was an overlong game of hide and seek, and I didn t even like the players all that much As usual, the positive lay in how it s written And like the first, the negatives lay in the shock value If the first had me reeling from the child bride aspect This one had me reeling back from a number of things Prostitution Check.Drugs Men turned monsters Experiments Check, check, and check.OK I liked it and I didn t like it The hiding and seeking went on forever with [...]

  12. 341 pages of boredom.I am so disappointed with this book The plot is completely dull boring I don t see any world building and the characters just escaped, run, getting caught in the circus, find Rhine s brother etc Nothing exciting happens and it didn t answered anything of what s the problem in their society Na da Not even single CLUE how to cure this virus I tried to be patient but it s exhausting I don t feel the dystopia vibe any I seemed not to care any with the society or any of the chara [...]

  13. FEVER by Lauren Destefano was a much anticipated novel for me because I enjoyed reading it s predecessor, WITHER and was very intrigued on how this new storyline would play out Although I anticipated a few plot points, on a whole it was not what I expected.Upon returning to the bleak world that Rhine and Gabriel inhabit we find them on the run, fleeing a madman that is hell bent on cruel experimentation Unfortunately they do not enjoy their freedom for long before they are held prisoners in a di [...]

  14. If I don t get an arc for this as soon as they exist, I m gonna tie up Lauren DeStefano and make me write me books like this is Misery or something.

  15. I really loved Wither Fever, though, was a massive disappointment.This book was all over the place I couldn t believe it at all So much of it is dreams and nostalgia for other times and places and people so much of it internal, wistful monologuing that I found myself completely detached from the here and now, which, given that it s written in first person immediate, is no mean feat The structure is uneven nothing really seems to happen for the first hundred pages, then the vast bulk of the book [...]

  16. HOLY WOW People say that it s hard to write reviews for books you don t like, but I honestly think it s harder to write them for books you absolutely LOVE Wither was one of my favourite reads of all time and Fever is just as breathtaking, if not Lauren DeStefano has some of the most beautiful prose I ve ever read She hooks you in from the very beginning and traps you in a dark dystopian world unlike any other And you wouldn t think so, but the GORGEOUS cover actually has a lot to do with the st [...]

  17. Yang n da bitti M lakata haz rlanmam gereken yerde dayanamay p kitab bir solukta bitirdi im do rudur Yine ok g zeldi Bozgun i in sab rs zlan yorum ama art k m lakat sonraya b rakaca m onu Hem belki o zamana Ate ten Do an da km olur ve ikisini birden temin ederim Yazar n kalemindeki o karanl k doku beni kendine eken Zihni buland ran bir karma as var Karakterin ruh halini ok iyi yans tt n d n yorum yle ki zaman zaman neyin ger ek neyin kabus neyin hayal r n oldu unu anlayam yorum Ama bu dokuyu bu [...]

  18. First off, let me just say I loved Wither, but after reading it I really didn t feel like it needed another book It could have been a standalone But, Destafano s writing is was so good in 1 and the cover for this one was so appealing I thought, what the heck, I ll give it a go.dis ap point ment 1 to fail to fulfill the expectations or wishes of His gross ingratitude disappointed us 2 to defeat the fulfillment of hopes, plans, etc thwart frustrateSo, I still feel like Whither could have been a st [...]

  19. This book was a mess What was it even about Full review is also on my blog.What the HAIL This book was a total disaster I think the only reason I finished it was because I so confused I didn t know to stop reading The different sections were disconnected There was almost zero world building, and it made no sense I read the first book Wither last summer when I wasn t blogging and I gave it 4 stars I know that I am much less critical of books when I m not thinking about what I m going to write abo [...]

  20. When I read Wither, I fell in love with the plot, the world, and the characters I wanted so much , I couldn t wait to get my hands on the second book But now that I ve actually read Fever, I m a bit disappointed.It felt like Lauren DeStefano was just throwing a whole new cast of characters at the reader without really bothering to give us enough time or information to truly care about them It was hard to feel any emotion for a character that still feels like a stranger to me Now these faceless m [...]

  21. Better than Wither, but still not really all that great.I can see why some people ahem, fake cough, teenage girls are really going crazy over this series And maybe, even a few years ago when I was really into YA, I might have enjoyed it too, but sadly, it just isn t really doing it for me any.Ok, you idiot, if you hate it that bad, why do you keep reading the books in this series There is something about DeStefano s writing that is compelling and a bit dark that keeps me wondering what she is go [...]

  22. spoilers My roommate summed this book up in a single sentence It s like one long acid trip I liked the first book enough to pre order this one When I got it in the mail a few days ago, I excitedly opened it up and took a good look at the cover She looks like she s on drugs, I thought to myself Whereas the cover of Wither was beautiful, I really didn t like this one I didn t want to do the whole book cover judging thing, so I slipped off the dust jacket revealing the neon pink underneath and bega [...]

  23. Hello my beautiful family It s Foxyreading Foxyfangirling on twitter with my full review of Fever Trust is the strongest weapon This book was something only about 300 pages and so much happens I think in this sequel the balance between action and description is perfect, much better than in the first book I am completely blown away by this book I did not expect the story to develop this way I did see some things coming, but it was really unpredictable, how the rest of the story would evolve espec [...]

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